How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

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ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

Sain (a barber)

Is it painful for men to wear bras, panties, and tampons?

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Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

What are your darkest taboo confessions?

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

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ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

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ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

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From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

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We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

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I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

Why is it that women are stronger than men nowadays?

He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

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ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

Kabir (a weaver)

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

NOW…

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

I am like a fish out of water,

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

then who is there to know what happens without?

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

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Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

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ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.

ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

Raamaanand Jee, First House:

Now here in this verse

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils.

ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

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I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

CONCLUSION:

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

Ramarchan Paddati gives more info about his teachings.

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

We have searched the turaki Dharam (Turk's religion, Islam), these teachers throw many thunderbolts,

ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

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